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Rexsis Kai · Nov 18, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

As the thread title says, which one should I go, which one do most groups want, and whats a nice build that is pretty much balanced and will generaly be used throughout my monk's career?

isamu kurosawa · Nov 18, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

I wasn't even aware there was the question.

Prot > Heal

Hybrid > all

PUGs prefer heal

PUGs are clueless.

[skill]Reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]protective spirit[/skill][skill]aegis[/skill][skill]dismiss condition[/skill][skill]cure hex[/skill]

or something simmilar.

Rexsis Kai · Nov 18, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Thank you Isamu, I'll give it a try!

Stormlord Alex · Nov 18, 2007, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Do both, run a hyrbrid Prot/Heal bar (like the one posted above).
It's far more efficient than pure Heal and pure Prot - you do NOT need 8 slots to make red bars go up, you need WoH and Kiss at most.

Similarly, pure Prot is uneeded overkill for most of PvE.

However, PuGs scream for healing monks because they are, by and large, clueless scrubs.

Hybrid > PvE

Burst Cancel · Nov 18, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

*grabs flame-retardant jumpsuit and a bag of marshmallows*

arcady · Nov 19, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

I get asked to swap my Prot build out for a Heal build all the time in PUGs. I've only agreed to do it twice, both today, and it was a double wipe.

I should have just turned down the PUG invite. Healing just can't keep up with Prot unless there's someone else there doing already.

A lot of people here will tell you Hybrid - and that's not bad advice, but I personally find I do best as pure Protection.

My usual build is something similar to:

[skill]Reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]guardian[/skill][skill]zealous benediction[/skill][skill]protective spirit[/skill][skill]draw conditions[/skill][skill]remove hex[/skill][skill]aegis[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]

Sometimes I swap out Guardian for;
[skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill]. Guardian is a weaker version of Aegis in some regards, but handy to spam whereas Aegis is handy as a pre-prot.

Remove Hex is the weakpoint in that build, and if I expect a hex heavy area I'll put something else in there.

Abbel Calima · Nov 19, 2007, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Go hybrid smiting/divine favor, owns all!
(i was being sarcastic)

Wish Swiftdeath · Nov 19, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

meh i find, divine spirit to be awesome in pve-especially HM. You can put up loads of little prots free of charge.

PvP it's not so good since skill spamming isnt viable.

moko · Nov 19, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

*grabs flame-retardant jumpsuit and a bag of marshmallows*

epic!

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Monk of Myrodin · Nov 19, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcady

I get asked to swap my Prot build out for a Heal build all the time in PUGs.

I get the same thing, but you should be able to run either. Typically groups will need one healer and one prot unless you are in the lower level ares where the party size is 4-6 then the hybrid is the best. I ussualy take a similar build to Arcady, but will switch to a Healer's Boon build if I must go healing. Although most of the time I just use henchies, PUGing ussually fails in most of the PUGs I have been in.

Sister Rosette · Nov 19, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

It depends, either route you go you shouldn't have any problem getting consistent PUG's, but if you're just learning the art of Monking, it's *usually* better to start with Healing Prayers, and once you've learned the nuances of it, move to Protection. Protection is a lot harder to play, and even harder to master, but the people that have are nothing short of awe-inspiring. In the end it really boils down to personal preference I guess.

the_jos · Nov 19, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Quote:

which one do most groups want

There can be a huge difference between the needs of a (PUG) group and what they want.
Your team setup and your enemies determines if you go heal or prot.
In general, hybrid builds as surgested above, will do the job.

However, do not argue in PUGs on healing/protting, unless you can tell them why your build fits better in the team + mission/quest than the surgested build.

Syntonic · Nov 19, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Most PvE PUGs I hit don't care what type of monk you are as long as you aren't smiting so there isn't much arguing. For PvP, they normally have everything mapped out anyway and it's your job to fulfill a certain slot.

moriz · Nov 19, 2007, 10:32 PM // 22:32

do both
12121212

Mac Sidewinder · Nov 19, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_jos

There can be a huge difference between the needs of a (PUG) group and what they want.
Your team setup and your enemies determines if you go heal or prot.
In general, hybrid builds as surgested above, will do the job.

However, do not argue in PUGs on healing/protting, unless you can tell them why your build fits better in the team + mission/quest than the surgested build.

I totally agree. If you can intelligently and calmly explain why one way is better than the other then you have a greater chance of playing the way you want. Just don't try to do this by insulting someone or being arrogant.

If the team insists on a certain way then you have 2 choices. Their way or the highway.

Teh [prefession]-zorz · Nov 19, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

HYBRID...yes thats how easy it is

Age · Nov 20, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Just give them what they and if they mess it up well tell you told them so.I just prefer not to argue.

Celestial_Kitsune · Nov 20, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

- Hybrids work well
- Pre-protting > healing. Observe the battlefield and anticipate.
- Infusing is a good skill to learn.

I strongly discourage you from running "a nice build that is pretty much balanced and will generally be used throughout my monk's career" all the time. Try different builds and try to understand why some builds work, while others fail.

You Look Grim · Nov 20, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

yo what i like to do is hero it with 3 hero monks (dunk tahlk oggy)
make em all mo/me, put mantra of inscriptions on each of them, sig of judgement on 2, bane sig on 3, castigation sig on 3, expel hexes on one, rest of their bar consists of a hybrid heal, smite support.

i.e. reversal of dmg, smite hex, smite condition, sig of devotion, etc etc.
while i myself am probably a healer's boon heal partyer blah blah.

;] i run weird stuff.

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 20, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

- Hybrids work well
- Pre-protting > healing. Observe the battlefield and anticipate.
- Infusing is a good skill to learn.

I strongly discourage you from running "a nice build that is pretty much balanced and will generally be used throughout my monk's career" all the time. Try different builds and try to understand why some builds work, while others fail.

QFT
Celestial pretty much summed it up